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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:35 am

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Hassan and Sasaki, how's that?

that could work but sadly... FA only says his name is Sasaki...but he himself doesnt believe it is his name

actually he believes hes just a fictional character so names are meaningless to him
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:14 am

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Because translations are fail. Double doubly so.

Anyways, it's Assassin and Assassin. Literally. There's no fake or true.
Yep yep. Hassan was only called true assassin once in the VN when he was summoned. Something about from the corpse came the true assassin or some shit like that. I don't have the VN on my new laptop so I can't look it up.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:30 am

mhm, your both right on this. TA aka hassan i sabbath >.> was named TA when he bursted out of fa's body. And in vn fa is just assassin.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:09 pm

Anyways the whole point of this thing is that false assassin is wrong and anyone using FA should be shot! And if it so happens that the Koreans use false as well then they should all be shot as well!

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Jenkins wrote:
Hassan and Sasaki, how's that?

that could work but sadly... FA only says his name is Sasaki...but he himself doesnt believe it is his name

actually he believes hes just a fictional character so names are meaningless to him
The character status screen labels him as Sasaki therefore he is Sasaki even though he may not have ever existed in the Typemoon universe. The holy grail apparently doesn't mind summoning heroes that don't exist as long as they're known I guess or at least based on a real person or in Sasaski's case maybe a couple of people.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:24 pm

Yden wrote:
Anyways the whole point of this thing is that false assassin is wrong and anyone using FA should be shot! And if it so happens that the Koreans use false as well then they should all be shot as well!

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Jenkins wrote:
Hassan and Sasaki, how's that?

that could work but sadly... FA only says his name is Sasaki...but he himself doesnt believe it is his name

actually he believes hes just a fictional character so names are meaningless to him
The character status screen labels him as Sasaki therefore he is Sasaki even though he may not have ever existed in the Typemoon universe. The holy grail apparently doesn't mind summoning heroes that don't exist as long as they're known I guess or at least based on a real person or in Sasaski's case maybe a couple of people.

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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:23 pm

When I asked why people called him FA they were like "we just do" and now I say it because of them z.z
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:41 pm

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When I asked why people called him FA they were like "we just do" and now I say it because of them z.z
Only the failures called him fa. I don't recall seeing any of the early players ever calling him fa, this being back in the days of clan FSNE.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:44 pm

no REAL eu players call him fa.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:48 pm

Manlir wrote:
no REAL eu players call him fa.
Dang EU bringing bad habits over to US East!
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:09 pm

i believe manlir meant to say that we dont use this term, we use sin for sasaki and tsin for hassan
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:55 pm

In-game I'll type FA and TA because it's faster. Sasaki Kojirou and Hassan-i Sabbah are far superior.

Also, Sasaki Kojirō (also known as Ganryū Kojirō), lived during the Sengoku and Edo era. He died fighting Miyamoto Musashi.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:03 pm

Yden wrote:
Manlir wrote:
no REAL eu players call him fa.
Dang EU bringing bad habits over to US East!

hmm i wasnt clear on this. aneq's right, remnants of the fsnc and fsn clan in europe dont call him FA. however fake europeans such as ungtx, sya, frankie, drak(?) calll him FA (we stil love u even if u fail in calling them by their name). they are fake europeans since they didnt play in europe but spent more time in us east (which usually results in failing in arena skills)

well thats my opinion anyway ><
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:15 pm

Well, whatever we call the names it's the same term. I also call it FA and TA and do not want to change how I call it. Just call em what you all want to but also remember the other names of it.

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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:07 pm

The person summoned as Assassin was used by the Holy Grail as "Sasaki Kojiro" because he could execute Tsubame Gaeshi and use the long sword thing (I fail at remembering names)

>_> He did exist, but not under the name of Sasaki Kojiro.

Hence, "False" Assassin.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:29 pm

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The person summoned as Assassin was used by the Holy Grail as "Sasaki Kojiro" because he could execute Tsubame Gaeshi and use the long sword thing (I fail at remembering names)

>_> He did exist, but not under the name of Sasaki Kojiro.

Hence, "False" Assassin.
I'm pretty sure that's completely wrong. He was a hero based on a person that might of existed. Something about the stories of multiple swordsmen that were combined to the legend of Sasaki. Even if you watched the anime, they made it quite clear he was a fictitious hero in his final battle with Saber saying he himself probably never existed in real life. And generally the failures use false/fake because he's not truly an assassin class, not because he's not real from what I've noticed. <.<

Anyways I've always called him Sin since that's how assassins were abbreviated in RO.

Edit: oh yea another that annoys me is the thread title. It should be "Fate/Another Wiki" not Wikipedia since Wiki would be the software and wikipedia is the actual site.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:36 pm

My mistake <_< but I have to say you people are very picky sometimes <<.

Also, koreans don't call it as False Assassin, they just call it Assassin. And true assassin as Jin Assassin (Jin means TRUE in Hanja.)

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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:04 am

Yden wrote:
LightburneR wrote:
The person summoned as Assassin was used by the Holy Grail as "Sasaki Kojiro" because he could execute Tsubame Gaeshi and use the long sword thing (I fail at remembering names)

>_> He did exist, but not under the name of Sasaki Kojiro.

Hence, "False" Assassin.
I'm pretty sure that's completely wrong. He was a hero based on a person that might of existed. Something about the stories of multiple swordsmen that were combined to the legend of Sasaki. Even if you watched the anime, they made it quite clear he was a fictitious hero in his final battle with Saber saying he himself probably never existed in real life. And generally the failures use false/fake because he's not truly an assassin class, not because he's not real from what I've noticed. <.<

Anyways I've always called him Sin since that's how assassins were abbreviated in RO.

Edit: oh yea another that annoys me is the thread title. It should be "Fate/Another Wiki" not Wikipedia since Wiki would be the software and wikipedia is the actual site.

/facepalm.

The anime is wrong in certain aspects. Especially where they decided LOL WE MIX N' MAX FROM UBW, FATE AND HF!!!111!!1

In the VN, at the end of UBW path / Fate Path (can't remember, prolly UBW), he says that Sasaki Kojiro MIGHT have existed and he himself was picked out of "convience", for lack of a better term, to fill in the role of Sasaki Kojiro.

He, himself, essentially isn't an assassin and he isn't Sasaki Kojiro either -_-. But the person summoned under the name of Sasaki Kojiro existed.

He is real, but he is not Sasaki Kojiro.

Oh and it is Fate / Another Wiki according to my Favourties tab.

Fail Zero is Fail.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:30 am

But we're talking about how we call him in the wiki, not how we call him ingame. o.o
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:01 am

to summarize this thread

Calling Assassin, FALSE assassin = fail

calling him assassin = good

True assassin = good

fate wiki = fail since it calls assassin False assassin

QUICK LOCK THIS THREAD NAO
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:29 am

Manlir wrote:
to summarize this thread

Calling Assassin, FALSE assassin = fail

calling him assassin = good

True assassin = good

fate wiki = fail since it calls assassin False assassin

QUICK LOCK THIS THREAD NAO

You're invited to call him what you want, just don't fuck up what we call him.

I'm just saying the reason why he's called "False" Assassin, since you brought it up.

Now I just see you're trying to "have your way".
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:19 am

LightburneR wrote:
Manlir wrote:
to summarize this thread

Calling Assassin, FALSE assassin = fail

calling him assassin = good

True assassin = good

fate wiki = fail since it calls assassin False assassin

QUICK LOCK THIS THREAD NAO

You're invited to call him what you want, just don't fuck up what we call him.

I'm just saying the reason why he's called "False" Assassin, since you brought it up.

Now I just see you're trying to "have your way".
Because coming up with new names for characters that already have official names is the best thing to do. IMO all official works (and even doujin works) all label Sasaki as Assassin. Fate/Unlimited Codes is an easy example because well all the names are already romanticized in English. Hell there's even an official English version of it and he's named Assassin in the game! Also doujin games like Fatal/Fake also have him listed as Assassin. Only you failures decided to call him "false" for no good reason at all.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:21 am

Just because you cannot properly define the word "False", doesn't make us failures.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:10 am

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Just because you cannot properly define the word "False", doesn't make us failures.
No renaming a character that already has a name makes you failures.

Spoiler:
 

I don't see false anywhere in his character name. That being a scan from the Fate/unlimited codes manual. Took me a while to get my scanner working but there's some proof he is NOT "false" Assassin and just plain Assassin.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:34 pm

No, seriously, just call him Assassin IN THE WIKI. We're talking about the Wiki here, not how we call him ingame. Not to mention fa is just a nickname.

Also, there should be an extra bit in each servant page showing the heroes' true identity, in my opinion. ._.
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PostSubject: Re: moved old wikia discussion   Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:39 pm

Didn't we already establish for the failures that the official name is Assassin from the VN?

Why are they still so failures?

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